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Deep Dive: The Science of Protecting Women's Sports From Men, and the Olympics Boxing Controversy | Ep. 862

Deep Dive: The Science of Protecting Women's Sports From Men, and the Olympics Boxing Controversy | Ep. 862

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This episode delves into the controversy surrounding two male Olympic boxers competing against women, sparking a debate about fairness and safety in women's sports. Sports science expert Ross Tucker joins the discussion, providing insights into the scientific evidence suggesting the boxers are biologically male, despite the IOC's claims of their female identity. Tucker highlights the conflicting statements from the IOC and the International Boxing Association (IBA), emphasizing the importance of legitimate testing to ensure fairness in women's sports. He explains the evolution of eligibility policies in sports, highlighting the shift from testosterone-based criteria to a focus on gender identity, which has created a fragmented landscape where different sports have different policies. Tucker addresses concerns about the validity of the tests conducted on the boxers, emphasizing the credibility of the tests and the involvement of respected journalists like Alan Abrahamson. He discusses the difference between transgender individuals and those with Differences of Sexual Development (DSDs), emphasizing the impact of testosterone on athletic performance and the biological advantage it provides. Tucker criticizes the IOC's stance on gender identity, arguing that it prioritizes inclusion over fairness and safety for female athletes. He highlights the IOC's reliance on passport information and its failure to acknowledge the biological reality of sex differences. Tucker discusses various testing methods, including cheek scraping and blood tests, to determine sex chromosomes, emphasizing the need for objective assessment and moving away from subjective judgments. He proposes a multi-step approach involving genetic testing and non-invasive diagnostic tests to ensure fairness in women's sports. Tucker discusses the potential consequences of the IOC's current stance on gender identity, highlighting the need for robust policies and the possibility of legal action by female athletes. He expresses concern about the IOC's unwillingness to address the issue and the potential for further controversy.

Outlines

00:00:00
The Olympic Boxing Scandal: A Deep Dive

This episode explores the controversy surrounding two male Olympic boxers competing against women, examining the scientific evidence, the IOC's stance on gender identity, and the need for objective assessment in determining eligibility for women's sports.

00:01:47
The Fragmented Landscape of Eligibility in Sports

The episode discusses the conflicting statements from the IOC and the IBA regarding the boxers' eligibility, highlighting the importance of legitimate testing to ensure fairness in women's sports. It also explores the evolution of eligibility policies in sports, highlighting the shift from testosterone-based criteria to a focus on gender identity, which has created a fragmented landscape where different sports have different policies.

00:06:57
The IOC's Position on Gender Identity and the Need for a Biological Approach

The episode criticizes the IOC's stance on gender identity, arguing that it prioritizes inclusion over fairness and safety for female athletes. It highlights the IOC's reliance on passport information and its failure to acknowledge the biological reality of sex differences. The episode also discusses various testing methods, including cheek scraping and blood tests, to determine sex chromosomes, emphasizing the need for objective assessment and moving away from subjective judgments.

00:25:10
The Future of the IOC and the Implications for Women's Sports

The episode discusses the potential consequences of the IOC's current stance on gender identity, highlighting the need for robust policies and the possibility of legal action by female athletes. It expresses concern about the IOC's unwillingness to address the issue and the potential for further controversy.

Keywords

International Olympic Committee (IOC)


The International Olympic Committee is the governing body of the Olympic Games. It sets rules and regulations for the Games and is responsible for promoting the Olympic Movement.

International Boxing Association (IBA)


The International Boxing Association is the governing body for amateur boxing. It organizes world championships and other competitions.

Differences of Sexual Development (DSDs)


DSDs are a range of conditions that affect the development of sex characteristics. Individuals with DSDs may have a mix of male and female characteristics.

Testosterone


Testosterone is a hormone that plays a key role in male development and athletic performance. It contributes to muscle growth, strength, and power output.

Gender Identity


Gender identity refers to a person's internal sense of their gender. It may or may not align with their sex assigned at birth.

Sex Verification


Sex verification is the process of determining an athlete's sex, typically through physical examination or genetic testing. It has been used in sports to ensure fairness and prevent male athletes from competing against women.

Fairness in Sport


Fairness in sport refers to the principle that all athletes should have an equal opportunity to compete. This includes ensuring that athletes are not given an unfair advantage due to their sex, gender, or other factors.

Safety in Sport


Safety in sport refers to the protection of athletes from harm during competition. This includes ensuring that athletes are not exposed to unnecessary risks due to their sex, gender, or other factors.

Inclusion in Sport


Inclusion in sport refers to the principle that all athletes should be welcomed and accepted regardless of their sex, gender, or other factors. This includes ensuring that athletes are not discriminated against or excluded from participation.

Q&A

  • What is the controversy surrounding the two male Olympic boxers competing against women?

    The controversy stems from the conflicting statements from the IOC and the IBA regarding the boxers' eligibility. The IOC claims they are female, while the IBA has disqualified them for failing eligibility tests that indicate they are biologically male.

  • What is the scientific evidence suggesting the boxers are biologically male?

    The evidence includes chromosome tests that revealed XY chromosomes, typical of males, and reports from sports scientists confirming their chromosomal and testosterone levels align with those of males.

  • How has the IOC's stance on gender identity impacted the landscape of eligibility in sports?

    The IOC's prioritization of inclusion over fairness and safety has led to a fragmented landscape where different sports have different policies. This has created confusion and controversy, particularly in sports involving physical contact.

  • What are the potential consequences of the IOC's current stance on gender identity?

    The IOC's stance could lead to further controversy and legal action by female athletes. It could also undermine the integrity of women's sports and put female athletes at risk.

  • What are the key considerations for ensuring fairness and safety in women's sports?

    Key considerations include objective assessment of biological sex, the impact of testosterone on athletic performance, and the need for robust policies that prioritize fairness and safety for female athletes.

Show Notes

Megyn Kelly is joined by Ross Tucker, co-host of "The Science of Sport" podcast, to discuss the men competing in the female boxing category at the Olympics, the dispute between the IOC and the IBA that led to this moment, how an athlete found to have XY chromosomes would not be allowed to compete in women's sports in swimming at the Olympics, how easy it would be to keep biological women safe in sports with new technologies in testing, how testosterone influences athletic performance, how the IOC's antiquated rules hurt competition, and more.


More from Tucker: https://open.spotify.com/show/3g71AuFYy6FnYHEI1GO9A0
 

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Deep Dive: The Science of Protecting Women's Sports From Men, and the Olympics Boxing Controversy | Ep. 862

Deep Dive: The Science of Protecting Women's Sports From Men, and the Olympics Boxing Controversy | Ep. 862

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